Comments on: Microsoft, Pimp Down My Ribbon ../../../../2008/07/microsoft-pimp-down-my-ribbon/ XLCubed Blog Thu, 10 Jan 2019 09:12:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.3.21 By: Leslie ../../../../2008/07/microsoft-pimp-down-my-ribbon/#comment-117 Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:04:03 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=342#comment-117 You know as much as I hate to say it but it really is a lot of criticizing on their end. It seems like a lot have been added that aren’t much of use in the first place.

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By: jay ../../../../2008/07/microsoft-pimp-down-my-ribbon/#comment-116 Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:11:09 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=342#comment-116 what many may have missed – before I could tell someone stuck to go to Tools/Options/ etc now I have to tell them this particular icon over next to the other thingy. Now I have to do things like tell them to HOME/PASTE/As Picture/Copy as Picture when they want to COPY a picture. (of course, in 2003, there was Insert to Delete Names, and there is always press Enter to Exit

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By: My First Look at Excel 2010 | PTS Blog ../../../../2008/07/microsoft-pimp-down-my-ribbon/#comment-115 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:47:08 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=342#comment-115 […] year ago Andreas Lipphardt of XLCubed wrote Microsoft, Pimp Down My Ribbon, a request to clean up the 2007 ribbon. He even showed how. He started with the ribbon out of the […]

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By: Jerebear ../../../../2008/07/microsoft-pimp-down-my-ribbon/#comment-114 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:49:56 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=342#comment-114 I hate being critical, I really do. I used to teach Excel classes and I knew almost all of it by heart but I hate this new version. It’s extremely pretty but on most of my machines the version takes forever to load the various views and it’s just killing my productivity. Not too much having to find where everything is and understand what command names were changed.

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By: p ../../../../2008/07/microsoft-pimp-down-my-ribbon/#comment-113 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:09:32 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=342#comment-113 Hello, does anyone has an example about adding a TAB included 1 or more buttons from which each button can be connected to a procedure and/or function?

Thanks in advance,

Regards,

p

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By: Barry Brittenham ../../../../2008/07/microsoft-pimp-down-my-ribbon/#comment-112 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:37:16 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=342#comment-112 It makes sense to me that 56% of respondents had negative opinions of the Ribbon. The one fundamental concept that Microsoft missed in implementing the Ribbon-only UI (removing the classic menus) is that not all people are visual by nature. Based on the numbers you quote about 56% are probably not.

I, like many others, am not visual by nature. Menus provide a text-based contextual path to the specific function I want to use. I can always find what I need using the classic menu design. I have been using Office 2007 since it was released and I still can never find the same command twice on the Ribbon. Often I am staring right at the icon and don’t see it–not because I’m blind but because the collected icons create a visual soup that essentially blurrs to one big picture making it hard to find the specific icon.

Your effort to clean up the Ribbon would certainly help, but for people like me, the real solution is replacing the Ribbon with a menu system–which I have done with ToolbarToggle (see ToolbarToggle.com).

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By: Excel 2007 Usability Pain Points | More Information per Pixel ../../../../2008/07/microsoft-pimp-down-my-ribbon/#comment-111 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:27:56 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=342#comment-111 […] new here, you may want to subscribe to my RSS feed. Thanks for visiting!There has been a lot of criticism regarding the Excel 2007 UI, particularly about the new chart engine and the Ribbon. Here some other Pain Points that are […]

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By: Jon Peltier ../../../../2008/07/microsoft-pimp-down-my-ribbon/#comment-110 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:58:51 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=342#comment-110 The usability studies have overemphasized the needs of new users and light users of Office, at the expense of heavy power users. Not being able to readily customize my interface cuts into my flexibility and productivity.

Re the glow feature. In previous versions, a selected option appears as a depressed button, or as a checkmark next to a menu item, and in 2003 there is also an orange highlight on the depressed button or checkmark. A “highlight: is reasonable, while “glow” may be a bit excessive, though we’re getting stuck in the land of semantics.

By the way, one complaint about Excel 2007 is that the light light gray highlighting of selected cells is hard to see on some screens, and is particularly hard for vision-impaired users and middle-aged users. I would suggest a more pronounced highlighting for your selected vertical alignment button.

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By: Andreas Lipphardt ../../../../2008/07/microsoft-pimp-down-my-ribbon/#comment-109 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:02:28 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=342#comment-109 Jon,

I understand the issues you have with the organization of the commands of the ribbon. Its simply unacceptable to have such an important command like Paste Values three mouse clicks or three key strokes away, it shouldn’t be more than two mouse clicks. Let me think how this could be reorganized and / or how this would fit into another tweaked Ribbon.

I don’t think that is necessarily a bad thing having large buttons. Usability studies are indicating that is makes a lot of sense to have larger icons for more important commands and smaller or no icons for less important functions. Also having a mix of small buttons, large buttons and controls might look like unclean design, but helps you to remember and memorize the position of commands. They serve as a visual sign posts. Like the trees, and houses all the non-uniform environment elements that makes it easy to orientate in a new city, whereas it is hard to orientate in a city with a clean, uniform architecture, where all streets looking the same. It’s also a supporting Jensen’s design decision to not to make the Ribbon customizable (well, via code you can). These visual sign posts that help you to learn the ribbon need be stable. Imagine how confusing it would be, to go to work and to discover, that half of the city was reconstructed over night.

I hardly can see where a glow effect can be useful in the user interface of a production tool like Excel. All the reasons why we remove the visual clutter from Charts apply for User Interfaces. I changed the un-pimped ribbon so that it indicates the selected vertical alignment setting via a darker border and a slightly darker background color.

Andreas

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By: Jon Peltier ../../../../2008/07/microsoft-pimp-down-my-ribbon/#comment-108 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:47:33 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=342#comment-108 I know the Office UI team worked very hard on the Ribbon, but I think their usability studies were flawed. The feedback they based much of their preliminary design upon required that users’ computers were able to send feedback to Microsoft. Most of Microsoft’s big users, the large corporations with thousands of users, have IT protocols that block this kind of feedback, and many power users decline to send this feedback in any case. This feedback I believe was only available for users of Office 2003, and many big users don’t upgrade as rigorously as Microsoft would like. So a huge segment of Office users were discounted, and these users were the more knowledgeable users. The result is that any new interface based on this information would be skewed towards inexperienced users.

In their efforts to reduce complexity, the UI team did two things. They reduced flexibility. And they didn’t remove complexity, they distributed it among the various tabs, making experienced users work harder to do what for them are routine tasks.

I like your efforts here to clean up the ribbon (is that Andreas? your articles should have a byline). I would have “MicroCharted” the ribbon (and I still may, if I ever use 2007 enough to want to customize it), by shrinking the huge ugly buttons, to allow more buttons to fit. For example, that Paste monolith could be shrunk, and in addition to Paste, you could fit Paste Formats and Paste Values in the same space. I can feel the excess mouse clicks melting away.

I don’t mind the glow effect, as long as it is useful. In the ribbon, it indicates the selected option (in the ribbon clip above, it shows that the Align to Bottom of Cell vertical alignment option is selected) and it indicates which button the mouse is hovering over. The un-pimped ribbon in contrast doesn’t indicate the selected vertical alignment setting.

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